Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
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@rickf @tautology @tinker true, and don't get me wrong, we love Nextcloud <3. What I'm less impressed by is businesses selling NC as their own amazing invention.
No kidding. They just hope there aren't any competent geeks present who can peel the curtain back when they come in to hawk their wares to managers and contracting officers.
Early in my career I remember being in a product pitch meeting - my directors were excited and ready to sign until I asked the vendor why we should buy their expensive products when we could use 2 free 'hacker' tools that did the same thing. (They blathered ...but we didn't buy it)
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@ibs3d @tinker
> I just wonder the motivation behind the fork
€7bn in first year of a march for "EU digital sovergeinty".EU countries are on the edge* to pass 5-10% of what EU businesses annually pay to the US corpos and shovel those money at open-source businesses. The smell of bucks made this fork fountain going now.
*still gossips. It of course still can be a call to the US companies who might be willing to ensure eucrooks and their families wellbeing.
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@tinker lol please make a weekly #opensource drama update like this.
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! 
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️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker forking frenzy is a great headline
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker I've recently (a few weeks) started using LibreOffice. It seems OK so far ... in contrast to previous years when family members have tried its predecessors and found them useless at things like interoperability.
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@tinker @tarabara The post that sent me into a rage is this one:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/autofill-function-for-furigana-when-typing-in-japanese/48874
A "leader" on the forums couldn't be bothered to Read the Fucking Question, yet felt free to insult the OP and offer a useless "solution." When the OP very politely pointed out that gabix was not offering a solution to the question that was actually asked, gabix just ignored it on no doubt moved on to terrorize some other noob.@RachelThornSub @tarabara - Yeah, thats trash. They need to reign that in.
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker Heavy drama… and somewhere an AI is quietly rewriting the whole doc in 2 seconds
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@tinker forking frenzy is a great headline
🤩@FaithfullJohn - I love the Register for their headlines alone
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker While I wait I will continue using Softmaker Office NX
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@m0xEE @tinker @zaphodb I have no idea, someone threw the CDs-with-booklet at Karneval instead of candy, and someone I knew picked up two and gave me one, so I used it for a bit, a few years after it was actually released; before that, MS Works 1.05 for DOS was as close to an “office suite” as I ever got…
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
The devs from onlyoffice went down a dark path a while ago by trying to stop people from self Hosting without paying for support. I also gave up on onlyoffice due to the infamous document deletion bug when syncing back to NC.
However the useability of onlyoffice vs collabora was always better. If NC pulls this off and fix thw bugs, then we finally have a proper FOSS alternative.
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@tinker for these of us who hadn’t followed it:
- where does OnlyOffice come from?
- what does Collabora do, and what’s their (now ex?) relationship to TDF?
- TDF are those who forked LibreOffice off OpenOffice? (which itself is StarOffice IIRC?)
- what is this "Online" version? where comes it from? any relationship other than the name to the version without it?
My point of knowledge is basically, there’s Lotus Smartsuite and Softmaker Office, and OOo is now LO in distros, and I had to suffer through Winword 97 during apprenticeship.
- OnlyOffice is a separate development based out of russia (and trying hard to conceal that relationship). It's AGPLv3 with some "keep our logo alive" provisions that may or may not stick (that's the point of contention between them and Euro-Office). OnlyOffice seems to be built web-first.
- Collabora is a software service company that did LO development for clients who use LO, need improvements and are able to pay for them. They also have a LO build under their own name. One of the big contributors to LO.
- "TDF forked OO into LO" is a good shortcut version of what happened (LO is based on the Go-OO fork that used to be maintained by Novell/SUSE and others, and lots of pesky details like that, and TDF eventually became the trade org where all those OO-forkers came together)
- LO Online is basically LO running on a server, more-or-less sending bitmaps of the UI to a web client (not sure about the amount of "native web" parts in the UI these days)
From what I understand of Collabora's perspective, TDF was more of an umbrella org for all the annoying legal bits (holding trademarks etc for everybody, without anybody being able to take over), and people in that org now deviate from that bland, simple mission into something bigger. Kinda like mozilla.org expanding its mandate to cover whatever so more folks can be well-paid executives for random projects they think up, instead of sticking to a "let's help techies so they can do one thing well, while we sort out of the non-tech annoyances that surround it" mandate.
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The devs from onlyoffice went down a dark path a while ago by trying to stop people from self Hosting without paying for support. I also gave up on onlyoffice due to the infamous document deletion bug when syncing back to NC.
However the useability of onlyoffice vs collabora was always better. If NC pulls this off and fix thw bugs, then we finally have a proper FOSS alternative.
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Check if the changes are synchronized to Nextcloud by looking at the last updated date. I would suggest to enforce periodic syncing inside the onlyoffice settings (after saving all documents you have had opened!!!). This way you realize the issue immediately and not after days or months.
The bug mainly happens with group folders as far as I know. You can edit a document for *months* and not realizing that the updates are not on the nextcloud server. And a restart of onlyoffice or an update then wipes the cache.
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker OnlyOffice sounds like a fork of OnlyFans
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@tinker @tarabara The post that sent me into a rage is this one:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/autofill-function-for-furigana-when-typing-in-japanese/48874
A "leader" on the forums couldn't be bothered to Read the Fucking Question, yet felt free to insult the OP and offer a useless "solution." When the OP very politely pointed out that gabix was not offering a solution to the question that was actually asked, gabix just ignored it on no doubt moved on to terrorize some other noob.@RachelThornSub @tinker I see what you mean. While it is 6yo, if LibreOffice wants to be taken seriously, they must clean up all their content, forums included, and stop acting like petulant, superior techbros.
Side quest... Here I go!
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker
What a forking story ! -
Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
Apache OpenOffice...
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Heavy drama in the open-source world of...
...Office Document Software.
Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.
(I think I've got all that right
Correct me if I haven't! )️️️ I unironically love this!!!! ️️️Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.
Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.
This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.
Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/
@tinker@infosec.exchange
I've only got enough remaining drama-patience for OS-level age verification in the various distros.
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@mirabilos Oh, I had not thought about Lotus Smartsuite and WordPro in a long, long time. I wrote all of my university papers in WordPro. Moving to Microsoft Word when I got an office job was disappointing.
I think I still have the install CD in a binder somewhere ...
I remember using Aston-Tate Multimate.
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