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  • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

    Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

    ...Office Document Software.

    Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

    (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

    ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

    Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

    Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

    This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

    Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

    #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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    @tinker
    see also:

    https://social.tchncs.de/@Sweetshark/116331544201320248

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    • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

      Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

      ...Office Document Software.

      Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

      (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

      ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

      Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

      Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

      This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

      Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

      #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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      michaelgiesler@ruhr.social
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      #62

      @tinker That's called competition - a concept totally unknown to the MS Office universe.

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      • tarabara@indieweb.socialT tarabara@indieweb.social

        @tinker 🤣 Your synopsis of the drama is fantastic! Please do keep us updated on developments in the Office Document Software space. 🍿

        Aside: I'm rooting for LibreOffice, but man do they need to do something about the download and installation process for Mac. I cannot fathom why they think a torrent is the best option, especially when the Windows process is a typical UX.

        Edited: grammar

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        @tarabara
        Answer to aside: on #MacOS you can install LibreOffice from the app store which makes the installation much easier plus you get all updates automatically.

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        • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

          Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

          ...Office Document Software.

          Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

          (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

          ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

          Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

          Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

          This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

          Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

          #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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          @tinker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#/media/File:StarOffice_major_derivatives.svg

          There are, what, seven or eight branches and renames already? Cui bono?

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          • naltunN Offline
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            I was a big fan of Skiff (even though it was proprietary) until it was bought by Notion. NextCloud is where I lean nowadays. I'm preparing to self-host NextCloud on OpenBSD and share it with friends and family.

            Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft

            Can't wait for MS 💩✨ to be dethroned in the office suite space.

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            • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

              Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

              ...Office Document Software.

              Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

              (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

              ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

              Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

              Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

              This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

              Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

              #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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              @tinker before falling into open source ocean I only knew one fork 🍴. 😅

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              • rlonstein@social.stonetools.techR rlonstein@social.stonetools.tech

                @tinker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#/media/File:StarOffice_major_derivatives.svg

                There are, what, seven or eight branches and renames already? Cui bono?

                pgeorgiP Offline
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                There are, what, seven or eight branches and renames already? Cui bono?

                2.5: LibreOffice, Collabora Office and the dead/dormant Apache OpenOffice (last major release 2014)

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                • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                  Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

                  ...Office Document Software.

                  Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

                  (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

                  ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

                  Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

                  Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

                  This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

                  Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

                  #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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                  @tinker
                  Does anybody remember #OpenOffice?

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                  • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                    @luc0x61 @tinker
                    ODF is far preferable to OOXML fud.

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                    @raymaccarthy @tinker That wanted to be my message, between the lines

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                    • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                      Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

                      ...Office Document Software.

                      Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

                      (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

                      ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

                      Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

                      Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

                      This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

                      Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

                      #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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                      FORK ALL THE THINGS!

                      @tinker
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                      • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                        Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

                        ...Office Document Software.

                        Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

                        (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

                        ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

                        Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

                        Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

                        This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

                        Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

                        #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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                        @tinker

                        Shared competition.

                        They all produce documents that can be opened by each other. Monopolizing in the opposite of FOSS. Consider the Foss response to Windows.

                        There are more distributions of linux than there are users of linux.

                        This is a good thing. Lock-in, monopoly, walled garden, are flaws. All are attempted control, are hidden, are intrinsically for "someone other than you"

                        It means anyone with knowledge is able to assist. That is economic freedom designed into FOSS.

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                        • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                          Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

                          ...Office Document Software.

                          Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

                          (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

                          ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

                          Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

                          Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

                          This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

                          Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

                          #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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                          @tinker

                          I just hope LibreOffice wins as much as I liked BluRay to win, can Sony put it on the next Playstation? That may help. We all know Betamax should have won but it didn't, don't let LibreOffice get Betamaxed.

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                          • musevg@23.socialM musevg@23.social

                            @tinker
                            Does anybody remember #OpenOffice?

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                            @musevg @tinker

                            Sure it was the go-to open-source wordprocessor until it came under the purview of Oracle, then it was decided it had to die.

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                            • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                              @tml - Not yet. Going solely off of this: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/02/24/libreoffice-online-a-fresh-start/ ( "resuming" also includes planning and organizational work - not just coding. But we'll see I guess).

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                              #74

                              @tinker
                              That is just saying "we want your donations" (for something we just actively alienated all past contributors and expertise, but dont tell anyone).
                              @tml

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                              • maddin@gruene.socialM maddin@gruene.social

                                @tarabara
                                Answer to aside: on #MacOS you can install LibreOffice from the app store which makes the installation much easier plus you get all updates automatically.

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                                @maddin That's good to know! I didn't see a link to the app store on the main download page so I figured it wasn't an option. Thank you!

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                                • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                                  Heavy drama in the open-source world of...

                                  ...Office Document Software.

                                  Nextcloud, originally a fork of ownCloud, has launched Euro-Office, a fork of OnlyOffice (pissing off OnlyOffice). Collabora is weighing in and issuing comments against both OnlyOffice and Euro-Office while, itself, forking Collabora Office Desktop from the Document Foundation's LibreOffice. Document Foundation has now resumed LibreOffice Online which competes against Euro-Office and OnlyOffice.

                                  (I think I've got all that right 😅 Correct me if I haven't! 😂)

                                  ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 I unironically love this!!!! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

                                  Document software may appear boring on its face, but Microsoft Office is a big reason why folks still stay with Microsoft OS and don't (can't...) move to Linux. MS Office 365 is often used as a bridge to allow folks to move to Linux while still using Microsoft products in the browser but that solution still keeps them tied to closed source solutions.

                                  Development of Free and Open Sourced Software (FOSS) office products, both desktop apps and online web apps, is a core and key element to allowing FOSS solutions to thrive - both for individuals and organizations.

                                  This level of drama and fighting is indicative of a lot of effort and attention being thrown into this arena. I'm confident over time it'll settle and different projects will merge back together or at the very least borrow and build upon each's efforts.

                                  Read and get your fill of the drama here: https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

                                  #FOSS #digitalSovereignty #installParty #Linux #diDay

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                                  @tinker
                                  One element that's interesting is that OnlyOffice is licensed using the AGPL which includes a "can't remove the branding" section long with saying nobody has permission to use their branding as if that's somehow a judo throw to prevent any forks. And that's why they're mad.

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                                  • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                                    @tml - Not yet. Going solely off of this: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/02/24/libreoffice-online-a-fresh-start/ ( "resuming" also includes planning and organizational work - not just coding. But we'll see I guess).

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                                    Discussion of the blog post:

                                    • LibreOffice Online, which paused development in 2022, is restarting development : r/selfhosted
                                    • https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47142713

                                    Only a handful of comments in Hacker News above, one of them usefully links to an earlier discussion of The New Collabora Office for Desktop.

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                                    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                      @tautology @rickf @tinker i meant anything that offers a browser based office suite, aka files + text editor + videocalling or chat solution, email as bonus.

                                      I'm sure there are many more than the ones I mentioned.

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                                      @Gina @tautology @rickf @tinker With FOSS it often seems if you look away for a bit they will have doubled when you look back again ^^

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                                        @tinker
                                        One element that's interesting is that OnlyOffice is licensed using the AGPL which includes a "can't remove the branding" section long with saying nobody has permission to use their branding as if that's somehow a judo throw to prevent any forks. And that's why they're mad.

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                                        @bigolewannabe Which means I can't call my OnlyOffice fork "Sucks". I have to name it "OnlyOffice Sucks"

                                        OK, what's the best free Git hosting now that Github has gone over to the dark side?

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                                        • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                                          @Gina - Hahaha! I'll be the Andy Cohen of FOSS 😂

                                          On this week's "Real Housespouses of FOSS" we find the dev teams of XFCE and LXQt battling it out over whose Linux desktop environment is really the lightest! Gnome developers weigh in on the need for features while KDE laughs in the corner maintaining that you can have both!

                                          Will the FOSS families care? Will the closed sourced neighbors be convinced to even try?

                                          https://fosstodon.org/@Gina/116340456717762694

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                                          @tinker @Gina
                                          The answer is neither. Try Moksha.

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