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  • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

    @etrigan63 said:

    I am on, profiled, and connected and see nothing.

    Great. Let's chat! Maybe we can both see nothing and say nothing 😆

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    #20

    @grahamperrin How? This is clear as mud.

    carlos echenique
    ce.photography

    don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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    • etrigan63E Offline
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      #21

      The docs seem to expect physical presence first or sending QR codes which is dicey.

      carlos echenique
      ce.photography

      don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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      • thomrstrom@triangletoot.partyT thomrstrom@triangletoot.party

        @stefano @outofcreativity @feld This sounds great! Is there a way of signing in on my desktop without tying my phone to it?

        Having to find my phone in order to scan a QR code to log in to a chat service seems like a bizarre login pattern to me.

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        @thomrstrom @stefano @outofcreativity QR code is really just a link that resolves to this:

        dcaccount:https://chatmail.bsd.cafe/new

        but you can install the app and then that link when you click it should work

        also there's an invite link directly into the group which has a slightly nicer flow but doesn't guarantee your initial account setup was on the BSD Cafe chatmail server (but you can add many "relays" to your account without disruption or anyone noticing, so you can add BSD Cafe's chatmail afterwards):

        https://i.delta.chat/#2308C221F5B7403CE990C06F240C7E0EA369B0D5&v=3&x=EI1r5PyAqMQO5EnXZgmzkm7k&i=F-9eJjNgo0JHk0b-6gmjhfiN&s=jGYWGYzAZ5FavSbQt4wr4Dcy&a=x2lfrbwxg%40chat.feld.me&n=Mark&g=BSD+Cafe+Lounge
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        • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

          Maybe I misunderstand the essence of Delta Chat. From https://delta.chat/en/help#howtoe2ee:

          For a remote contact setup, from the same screen, click “Copy” or “Share” and send the invite link through another private chat.

          Erm, how can I have "another" private chat with someone who's not a contact, whose contact details I don't know?

          https://support.delta.chat/search?q=remote contact was no help.

          https://support.delta.chat/search?q=add contact was more promising:

          • May be improve onboarding for newbies about how to add contacts? - Feature Proposal - Delta Chat

          – that seems quite different from the mental block that I have here.

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          @grahamperrin I think reading the faq could help. This is a little different from the other messaging apps - and it's better, I'd say.

          https://delta.chat/help

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            So far, we are all going to be wandering around aimlessly until someone decides to take the step of throwing their QR code out tot winds and see who responds. Maybe someone here should make a chat group that represents this organization. Having our own server does not appear to be enough.

            carlos echenique
            ce.photography

            don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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            • stefanoS stefano

              @grahamperrin I think reading the faq could help. This is a little different from the other messaging apps - and it's better, I'd say.

              https://delta.chat/help

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              #25

              @stefano thanks, I already read the faq, linked and quoted at https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/614 above where I'm falling at the first hurdle:

              • How can I find people to chat with?
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              • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                @stefano thanks, I already read the faq, linked and quoted at https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/614 above where I'm falling at the first hurdle:

                • How can I find people to chat with?
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                @grahamperrin Just send me a message here:
                https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli - first contact 🙂

                Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

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                • etrigan63E etrigan63

                  So far, we are all going to be wandering around aimlessly until someone decides to take the step of throwing their QR code out tot winds and see who responds. Maybe someone here should make a chat group that represents this organization. Having our own server does not appear to be enough.

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                  @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                  Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                  I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                  • stefanoS stefano

                    @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                    Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                    I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                    @stefano said:

                    … the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to. …

                    There's the plain English that's missing from official answers to frequently asked questions.

                    IMHO an app should be intuitive from the outset, without needing to leave the app to gain help.

                    I can see why people like Delta Chat, however (sorry) I'd never recommend it to a friend.

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                    • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                      @stefano said:

                      … the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to. …

                      There's the plain English that's missing from official answers to frequently asked questions.

                      IMHO an app should be intuitive from the outset, without needing to leave the app to gain help.

                      I can see why people like Delta Chat, however (sorry) I'd never recommend it to a friend.

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                      wrote last edited by stefano
                      #29

                      @grahamperrin I totally understand your point of view. Maybe this can be improved.

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                      • stefanoS stefano

                        @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                        Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                        I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                        wrote last edited by
                        #30

                        @stefano Went through the steps and I am sitting on Establishing connection.

                        carlos echenique
                        ce.photography

                        don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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                        • etrigan63E etrigan63

                          @stefano Went through the steps and I am sitting on Establishing connection.

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                          stefano
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                          @etrigan63 Yes, I have replied

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