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  • etrigan63E etrigan63

    I am on, profiled, and connected and see nothing.

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    @etrigan63 said:

    I am on, profiled, and connected and see nothing.

    Great. Let's chat! Maybe we can both see nothing and say nothing πŸ˜†

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    • etrigan63E etrigan63

      I am on, profiled, and connected and see nothing.

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      @etrigan63 I accidentally created a second profile. It's gone now. Ha.

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      • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

        @stefano the dcaccount link works at https://chatmail.bsd.cafe/ but not here.

        Should I ignore the Add Relay option?

        25e2e558-6f46-4e5c-b38c-be805447d403-image.jpeg

        Instead of adding a third relay, I guess I can delete one of the two existing relays that use chatmail.bsd.cafe. I'm fairly sure I reduced the list to one relay, earlier.

        I have no idea where passwords are stored, or whether both relays use the same password.

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        Did my screenshot inadvertently publish two sets of contact details that should be private?

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        • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

          @etrigan63 said:

          I am on, profiled, and connected and see nothing.

          Great. Let's chat! Maybe we can both see nothing and say nothing πŸ˜†

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          @grahamperrin How? This is clear as mud.

          carlos echenique
          ce.photography

          don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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            The docs seem to expect physical presence first or sending QR codes which is dicey.

            carlos echenique
            ce.photography

            don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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            • thomrstrom@triangletoot.partyT thomrstrom@triangletoot.party

              @stefano @outofcreativity @feld This sounds great! Is there a way of signing in on my desktop without tying my phone to it?

              Having to find my phone in order to scan a QR code to log in to a chat service seems like a bizarre login pattern to me.

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              @thomrstrom @stefano @outofcreativity QR code is really just a link that resolves to this:

              dcaccount:https://chatmail.bsd.cafe/new

              but you can install the app and then that link when you click it should work

              also there's an invite link directly into the group which has a slightly nicer flow but doesn't guarantee your initial account setup was on the BSD Cafe chatmail server (but you can add many "relays" to your account without disruption or anyone noticing, so you can add BSD Cafe's chatmail afterwards):

              https://i.delta.chat/#2308C221F5B7403CE990C06F240C7E0EA369B0D5&v=3&x=EI1r5PyAqMQO5EnXZgmzkm7k&i=F-9eJjNgo0JHk0b-6gmjhfiN&s=jGYWGYzAZ5FavSbQt4wr4Dcy&a=x2lfrbwxg%40chat.feld.me&n=Mark&g=BSD+Cafe+Lounge
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              • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                Maybe I misunderstand the essence of Delta Chat. From https://delta.chat/en/help#howtoe2ee:

                For a remote contact setup, from the same screen, click β€œCopy” or β€œShare” and send the invite link through another private chat.

                Erm, how can I have "another" private chat with someone who's not a contact, whose contact details I don't know?

                https://support.delta.chat/search?q=remote contact was no help.

                https://support.delta.chat/search?q=add contact was more promising:

                • May be improve onboarding for newbies about how to add contacts? - Feature Proposal - Delta Chat

                – that seems quite different from the mental block that I have here.

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                @grahamperrin I think reading the faq could help. This is a little different from the other messaging apps - and it's better, I'd say.

                https://delta.chat/help

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                  So far, we are all going to be wandering around aimlessly until someone decides to take the step of throwing their QR code out tot winds and see who responds. Maybe someone here should make a chat group that represents this organization. Having our own server does not appear to be enough.

                  carlos echenique
                  ce.photography

                  don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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                  • stefanoS stefano

                    @grahamperrin I think reading the faq could help. This is a little different from the other messaging apps - and it's better, I'd say.

                    https://delta.chat/help

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                    @stefano thanks, I already read the faq, linked and quoted at https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/614 above where I'm falling at the first hurdle:

                    • How can I find people to chat with?
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                    • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                      @stefano thanks, I already read the faq, linked and quoted at https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/614 above where I'm falling at the first hurdle:

                      • How can I find people to chat with?
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                      @grahamperrin Just send me a message here:
                      https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli - first contact πŸ™‚

                      Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

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                      • etrigan63E etrigan63

                        So far, we are all going to be wandering around aimlessly until someone decides to take the step of throwing their QR code out tot winds and see who responds. Maybe someone here should make a chat group that represents this organization. Having our own server does not appear to be enough.

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                        @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                        Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                        I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                        • stefanoS stefano

                          @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                          Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                          I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                          @stefano said:

                          … the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to. …

                          There's the plain English that's missing from official answers to frequently asked questions.

                          IMHO an app should be intuitive from the outset, without needing to leave the app to gain help.

                          I can see why people like Delta Chat, however (sorry) I'd never recommend it to a friend.

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                          • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                            @stefano said:

                            … the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to. …

                            There's the plain English that's missing from official answers to frequently asked questions.

                            IMHO an app should be intuitive from the outset, without needing to leave the app to gain help.

                            I can see why people like Delta Chat, however (sorry) I'd never recommend it to a friend.

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                            @grahamperrin I totally understand your point of view. Maybe this can be improved.

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                            • stefanoS stefano

                              @etrigan63 Deltachat is, for now, similar to Signal's concept, not like Matrix. It's more oriented towards a one to one communication than a "one to many". That's why there's the concept of qr code or link: the idea is that you can exchange your link with the people you want to.

                              Send me a message: https://i.delta.chat/#35785273EDA8016AC3F52535A476DDD42385EECC&i=U1cPHyyzkkxJiwPE4P2r7je2&s=tzXnLPG9aT6e5nW6xtbdk0JQ&a=cttf6p58k%40chatmail.bsd.cafe&n=Stefano+Marinelli

                              I'll point to some groups. Consider that the users in the groups are all admins (it's not meant for public chats, but more for group chats) so I'd prefer not to disclose them here.

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                              @stefano Went through the steps and I am sitting on Establishing connection.

                              carlos echenique
                              ce.photography

                              don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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                              • etrigan63E etrigan63

                                @stefano Went through the steps and I am sitting on Establishing connection.

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                                @etrigan63 Yes, I have replied

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