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  • grahamperrinG Offline
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    Screenshots at https://redd.it/1unlsih include Xfe, MATE, and obligatory fastfetch …

    … for FreeBSD, without the FreeBSD kernel.

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      Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

      Differences between between FreeBSD/Darwin and NextBSD:
      https://github.com/nextbsd-redux/nextbsd#whats-different-from-other-bsds

      This is a neat project but I personally dislike Darwin as an OS. This project isn't for me but I think it hits a good niche in the BSD community.

      AI is extensively used in this project. When I use AI I have it generate git-diff(1)s so I can inspect and change things on-the-fly (reduce hallucinations and poor code logic, etc.) and add the code to source tree myself. This project has one active dev and each commit I saw is co-authored by Claude. This is a non-starter for me.

      That said I do think it's an interesting project and there are people out there who'd love hacking on this.

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      • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

        https://nextbsd.org/

        https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1u5qk0n/nextbsd_the_bsd_of_the_21st_century/

        https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1u5qkds/nextbsd_the_bsd_of_the_21st_century/

        … My main focus has been getting all the issues fixed with Gershwin Desktop so I can make an image include that + more kexts ASAP. Wifi kexts load but I need to port some 80211 stuff to integrate wifi into configd, etc. More to come. …

        …

        Mach IPC, launchd (replaces /sbin/init), configd/IPconfiguration (replaces netif), IOkit (replaces devmatch, devd). Resulting in automatic graphics detection, automatic networking with state change handling, service supervision, parallel startup to name a few things. I have other ideas beyond Darwin components like porting smb3 from illumos that I have been brewing about for a long time. New frameworks for jails, bhyve. The equivalent of dockerhub for jails. Management tools comparable to this https://www.hexbsd.org (an earlier creation of mine). A revived NAS appliance. A Gershwin on NextBSD image (desktop appliance).

        For people who are new to all of this:

        • gershwin-desktop/gershwin-desktop: Desktop Environment based on GNUstep welcoming to switchers

        9febc628-3c7a-447a-844c-8ec2ef6f896e-image.jpeg

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        #4

        A Gershwin on NextBSD image

        172cf636-69d4-46e5-89db-c839c89ff5d5-image.jpeg

        I installed the system, restarted, then installed Chromium, fastfetch, Firefox, htop, nano, and ROXTerm.

        Firefox is usable, Chromium is not:

        73507a29-d9d3-4307-87f4-cd8868495be3-image.jpeg

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        • naltunN naltun

          Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

          Differences between between FreeBSD/Darwin and NextBSD:
          https://github.com/nextbsd-redux/nextbsd#whats-different-from-other-bsds

          This is a neat project but I personally dislike Darwin as an OS. This project isn't for me but I think it hits a good niche in the BSD community.

          AI is extensively used in this project. When I use AI I have it generate git-diff(1)s so I can inspect and change things on-the-fly (reduce hallucinations and poor code logic, etc.) and add the code to source tree myself. This project has one active dev and each commit I saw is co-authored by Claude. This is a non-starter for me.

          That said I do think it's an interesting project and there are people out there who'd love hacking on this.

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          wrote on last edited by grahamperrin
          #5

          @naltun said:

          … one active dev

          There was an offer of help two days ago:

          • Documentation for setup development environment · nextbsd-redux · Discussion #365

          and each commit I saw is co-authored by Claude. This is a non-starter for me. …

          A good example of recently updated co-authored documentation:

          • nextbsd-freebsd-compat/README.md

          Some very recent issues that do not involve Claude:

          • Quiet console: suppress kernel/IOKit output on ttyv0 (verbose-boot only) so the getty login stays clean · Issue #363 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
          • Flaky amd64 boot tests: notifyd/syslogd ASL round-trips stall in mach_msg_receive under TCG emulation · Issue #369 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
          • CI: nextbsd-pkg should test-install NextBSD-everything before publishing · Issue #370 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
          • Gershwin: global menu doesn't track the frontmost app on first login (Menu WindowMonitor _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW latch race — NOT dbus) · Issue #371 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd – this is probably the menu bug that's seen in https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/833 above.
          • loginwindow: black background + no keyboard/mouse input after nextbsd-install from gershwin-on-nextbsd media · Issue #372 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd (closed).
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          • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

            @naltun said:

            … one active dev

            There was an offer of help two days ago:

            • Documentation for setup development environment · nextbsd-redux · Discussion #365

            and each commit I saw is co-authored by Claude. This is a non-starter for me. …

            A good example of recently updated co-authored documentation:

            • nextbsd-freebsd-compat/README.md

            Some very recent issues that do not involve Claude:

            • Quiet console: suppress kernel/IOKit output on ttyv0 (verbose-boot only) so the getty login stays clean · Issue #363 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
            • Flaky amd64 boot tests: notifyd/syslogd ASL round-trips stall in mach_msg_receive under TCG emulation · Issue #369 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
            • CI: nextbsd-pkg should test-install NextBSD-everything before publishing · Issue #370 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd
            • Gershwin: global menu doesn't track the frontmost app on first login (Menu WindowMonitor _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW latch race — NOT dbus) · Issue #371 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd – this is probably the menu bug that's seen in https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/833 above.
            • loginwindow: black background + no keyboard/mouse input after nextbsd-install from gershwin-on-nextbsd media · Issue #372 · nextbsd-redux/nextbsd (closed).
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            #6

            @grahamperrin said:
            ...

            I'm glad they limit their use of AI. Keep us updated with any news on the project, I might see if I can run it in a VM.

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              #7

              @peteorrall@mastodon.bsd.cafe 👆

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                #8

                New maintainer revives the project with Darwin components, Gershwin, and Claude Code – @lproven@social.vivaldi.net – The Register

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                  #9

                  This week in NextBSD July 10 2026 edition - Gershwin integration focus

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                    #10

                    Development Updates - July 30 2026

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                      NextBSD goal, mission and visions · nextbsd-redux · Discussion #406

                      The first of Joe's responses was last week. Two highlights:

                      … one person's trash is another persons treasure. …

                      – and:

                      • Download Server (The preview you see today, with after the superset finishes a few more touches like pkg hook to create LaunchDaemons)
                      • Download App (Cross platform management app)
                      • Download Desktop (Gershwin)

                      I think that when these key things roll out more, is how it will better align with the rally cry. That said I've wanted to do some research excursions and deviations out of interest here and there …

                      August 15 2026 - Linux compat work, ARM64 ISO lands, and KMS drivers for virtualization (WIP)

                      … I want virtualization on Apple silicon to work better than any other BSD starting with UTM as a first target via QEMU and the native hypervisor working as a follow up stretch goal if it can be done. …

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