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Modernised use of freebsd-update for minor and major upgrades to FreeBSD

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  • grahamperrinG Offline
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    #4

    14.4-RELEASE to 15.0-RELEASE

    Tested successfully with:

    • 1500500 as the osversion
    • latest for FreeBSD and FreeBSD-kmods.

    I hope that 1500500 is appropriate. I took it from the FreeBSD 15 Versions section of Chapter 8 of the FreeBSD Porter's Handbook.

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      #5

      Thank you for the ace instructions. I'm glad I waited to upgrade, as I didn't trust myself to be able to work out the kmod hiccup, but these were perfect. Just finished upgrading 15.0R-p10 to 15.1R and everything just works. Boot up is perceptibly faster, which is a nice cherry on top of the smooth upgrade. Edit: Now that the upgrade is complete, I'm going to bectl my way to trying a pkgbasify conversion. I was going to wait until 16.0R, but have half a mind of pulling the trigger early seeing as how these problems seemed non-existent on pkgbase and it's in our future anyway.

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        #6

        @kpax thanks.

        Most readers will, understandably, think of thirty-three steps as ridiculous – partly because it felt good, historically, to portray FreeBSD upgrades as requiring no more than a handful of steps.

        The "works for me" mindset, cutting corners without realising it, is true for some people, not for others. Some people:

        • have no non-base kernel modules
        • do not use hardware that's affected by boot loader bug 294630, for which there's no release note

        – and so on.

        Oversimplification of upgrade routines is popular, but not good practice.

        Blog posts that regurgitate official documentation are good for bloggers who want clicks, but it's a problem when the basis for those posts is wrong.

        Credit to Michael Larabel (Phoronix) for special attention to the essence of the third release candidate:

        Critical bug fixes to the x86 boot loader / kernel handoff which can cause the boot to hang; this seems to happen most often but not exclusively when Intel microcode updates are being loaded.

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          #7

          FreeBSD-ports-kmods and NVIDIA

          Noted in Reddit:

          … kmods are built on freebsd 15 until its end of life, and then they are built on freebsd 15.1.

          which is why you get the problem when you upgrade to 15.1 of them not working and the kdl error, so you either need to build them from ports or use poudrire …

          Essentially: users of NVIDIA GPUs should be prepared to build their own packages, for the non-base kernel modules, at times of minor and major OS upgrades.

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          • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

            FreeBSD-ports-kmods and NVIDIA

            Noted in Reddit:

            … kmods are built on freebsd 15 until its end of life, and then they are built on freebsd 15.1.

            which is why you get the problem when you upgrade to 15.1 of them not working and the kdl error, so you either need to build them from ports or use poudrire …

            Essentially: users of NVIDIA GPUs should be prepared to build their own packages, for the non-base kernel modules, at times of minor and major OS upgrades.

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            @grahamperrin

            Brief digression:

            Hum, I love Nvidia… hum, That's why I prefer to use an AMD GPU!
            Hummm, nvidia: NO; it's NO way!
            That said, I prefer to use an AMD GPU!

            😛 😉 😄


            Enjoy-ID!
            Enjoy-IT!

            > Per terminus, ad terminal

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            • CiotBSDC CiotBSD

              @grahamperrin

              Brief digression:

              Hum, I love Nvidia… hum, That's why I prefer to use an AMD GPU!
              Hummm, nvidia: NO; it's NO way!
              That said, I prefer to use an AMD GPU!

              😛 😉 😄

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                Oracle VirtualBox

                The FreeBSD-ports-kmods repo includes kernel modules for FreeBSD as a host but not as a guest:

                grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg search -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods virtualbox-ose-additions-72
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg search -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods virtualbox-ose-additions
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg search -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods virtualbox
                virtualbox-ose-kmod-6.1.50.1501000_1 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD
                virtualbox-ose-kmod-70-7.0.26.1501000 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD
                virtualbox-ose-kmod-71-7.1.18.1501000 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD
                virtualbox-ose-kmod-72-7.2.8.1501000 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD
                virtualbox-ose-kmod-legacy-5.2.44.1501000_7 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD
                grahamperrin@clean:~ %
                

                Guest Additions

                The FreeBSD-ports repo currently includes modules for 15.0 that do load with 15.1-RELEASE.

                An example with latest:

                grahamperrin@clean:~ % kldstat | grep vb
                13    1 0xffffffff837a2000    38d00 vboxguest.ko
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % uname -KU
                1501000 1501000
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg query '%At %Av' virtualbox-ose-additions-72
                FreeBSD_version 1500068
                build_timestamp 2026-06-18T02:27:44+0000
                built_by poudriere-git-3.4.8
                cpe cpe:2.3:a:oracle:vm_virtualbox:7.2.10:::::freebsd15:x64
                flavor xorg
                port_checkout_unclean no
                port_git_hash bbd7ab52a8a20722c901b3e4950cbb7e2b52581c
                ports_top_checkout_unclean no
                ports_top_git_hash 8fe72327c24ccd35a826c402c09af4831ccb6725
                repo_type binary
                repository FreeBSD-ports
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg info --list virtualbox-ose-additions-72 | grep .ko
                        /boot/modules/vboxguest.ko
                        /boot/modules/vboxvfs.ko
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % service vboxguest status
                /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxguest: unknown directive 'status'.
                Usage: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxguest [fast|force|one|quiet](start|stop|restart|rcvar|enable|disable|delete|enabled|describe|extracommands)
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % service vboxservice status
                vboxservice is running as pid 1960.
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % su -
                Password:
                root@clean:~ # kldload vboxvfs
                root@clean:~ # exit
                logout
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % kldstat | grep vb
                13    2 0xffffffff837a2000    38d00 vboxguest.ko
                18    1 0xffffffff837f9000    26be1 vboxvfs.ko
                grahamperrin@clean:~ % 
                
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                • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

                  FreeBSD-ports-kmods and NVIDIA

                  Noted in Reddit:

                  … kmods are built on freebsd 15 until its end of life, and then they are built on freebsd 15.1.

                  which is why you get the problem when you upgrade to 15.1 of them not working and the kdl error, so you either need to build them from ports or use poudrire …

                  Essentially: users of NVIDIA GPUs should be prepared to build their own packages, for the non-base kernel modules, at times of minor and major OS upgrades.

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                  FreeBSD-ports-kmods and NVIDIA: additional information

                  grahamperrin said:

                  … users of NVIDIA GPUs …

                  From https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@TomAoki/116794082837691141 @TomAoki@bsd.cafe:

                  … Nothing other than x11/nvidia-kmod are built currently. …

                  So, for example:

                  grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg search -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods nvidia
                  nvidia-kmod-595.71.05.1501000  NVIDIA graphics driver kernel module
                  grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg repos -e FreeBSD-ports-kmods | grep url
                      url             : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_latest_1",
                  grahamperrin@clean:~ %
                  

                  Relevant lines from the pkg-list in FreshPorts:

                  /boot/modules/nvidia.ko
                  /boot/modules/nvidia-modeset.ko
                  /boot/modules/nvidia_gsp_ga10x_fw.ko
                  /boot/modules/nvidia_gsp_tu10x_fw.ko
                  
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                    FreeBSD-ports-kmods and NVIDIA: additional information

                    grahamperrin said:

                    … users of NVIDIA GPUs …

                    From https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@TomAoki/116794082837691141 @TomAoki@bsd.cafe:

                    … Nothing other than x11/nvidia-kmod are built currently. …

                    So, for example:

                    grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg search -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods nvidia
                    nvidia-kmod-595.71.05.1501000  NVIDIA graphics driver kernel module
                    grahamperrin@clean:~ % pkg repos -e FreeBSD-ports-kmods | grep url
                        url             : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_latest_1",
                    grahamperrin@clean:~ %
                    

                    Relevant lines from the pkg-list in FreshPorts:

                    /boot/modules/nvidia.ko
                    /boot/modules/nvidia-modeset.ko
                    /boot/modules/nvidia_gsp_ga10x_fw.ko
                    /boot/modules/nvidia_gsp_tu10x_fw.ko
                    
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                    @grahamperrin It is unfortunate (for the general user population) that the transition from freebsd-update to pkg didn't turn this complexity into a wrapper before the transition, so they could ship simultaneously.

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                      The RELEASE announcement at https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.1R/ refers to a page that was originally a necessary duplicate of the upgrade instructions: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.1R/installation/. The installation page no longer exists:

                      • https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/commit/d357e2acefe52f4a767b5da0761b12892850b5ed
                      • https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/commit/4df494ffc469a8e3b8e4f760dc76e8223529143b

                      In the Wayback Machine: Upgrading with Base System Packages

                      … Systems running 14.4-RELEASE or 15.0-RELEASE can be upgraded as follows: …

                      • the instructions were incorrect for a pkgbase major upgrade.

                      Now in the introduction:

                      … 14.4-RELEASE or 15.0-RELEASE installations to 15.1-RELEASE. …

                      – and 14.4 is not mentioned for pkgbase:

                      … 15.0-RELEASE can be upgraded …

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                        #14

                        Users of freebsd-update(8) with 14.4-RELEASE, please note:

                        • Upgrading with Distribution Sets has no real hint that non-base packages should be forcibly upgraded following a major upgrade of base.

                        Noted:

                        freebsd-update(8) may prompt to rebuild or reinstall all third-party software due to changes in system libraries. Follow those instructions as needed.

                        If I recall correctly, the instructions do not demonstrate use of --force.

                        Steps 28-35 above do include pkg commands that will ultimately force a combined upgrade from two repositories, excluding FreeBSD-base:

                        • FreeBSD-ports and FreeBSD-ports-kmods

                        – there should be comparable advice in official documentation.

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                          I added another step (currently 33) for misc/compat14x.

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