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  • etrigan63E Offline
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    <SOAPBOX>
    "AI" is a marketing term. It is catchier and more futuristic than Large Language Models.

    While true, self-aware and conscious artificial intelligence is a goal, we are not there yet.
    https://castle.princeton.edu/the-7-levels-of-ai/

    If you are gung-ho about it, try dog-fooding it for a while on real work. I did. I used "AI" to help me sift through an Internet's worth of Linux and BSD documentation to come up with a simple, cohesive set of installation instructions. Goals were stated, targets set, hardware identified, and all it was able to produce was either a half-assed system that kind of worked or failed utterly. The latter more than the former. It got confused a lot on the details (either hallucinating up stuff or reading from old docs) and had to be reminded to double-check everything versus the latest documentation. It also had a habit of over-complicating things. At one point it wanted me to install nix (the package manager) on Void Linux as part of it's plan to allow me to install Brave browser.

    The graphics stuff is cute and getting better, but is killing off any art form really worth it? Sure, some tools (like "AI" masking) are very useful. But generating photographic quality images as opposed to hiring a photographer is not very cricket. Plus, legally, all fully "AI" generated images or videos cannot be copyrighted and are automatically in the public domain. The same with code.

    I am done now
    </SOAPBOX>

    carlos echenique
    ce.photography

    don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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    • etrigan63E etrigan63

      <SOAPBOX>
      "AI" is a marketing term. It is catchier and more futuristic than Large Language Models.

      While true, self-aware and conscious artificial intelligence is a goal, we are not there yet.
      https://castle.princeton.edu/the-7-levels-of-ai/

      If you are gung-ho about it, try dog-fooding it for a while on real work. I did. I used "AI" to help me sift through an Internet's worth of Linux and BSD documentation to come up with a simple, cohesive set of installation instructions. Goals were stated, targets set, hardware identified, and all it was able to produce was either a half-assed system that kind of worked or failed utterly. The latter more than the former. It got confused a lot on the details (either hallucinating up stuff or reading from old docs) and had to be reminded to double-check everything versus the latest documentation. It also had a habit of over-complicating things. At one point it wanted me to install nix (the package manager) on Void Linux as part of it's plan to allow me to install Brave browser.

      The graphics stuff is cute and getting better, but is killing off any art form really worth it? Sure, some tools (like "AI" masking) are very useful. But generating photographic quality images as opposed to hiring a photographer is not very cricket. Plus, legally, all fully "AI" generated images or videos cannot be copyrighted and are automatically in the public domain. The same with code.

      I am done now
      </SOAPBOX>

      grahamperrinG Online
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      wrote last edited by
      #2

      … The graphics stuff is cute and getting better, but is killing off any art form really worth it? …

      I use it so rarely that I can't think of myself as a promoter or a killer.

      From https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/116623192537616035:

      For the record: my extremely infrequent use of ChatGPT is almost invariably a response to needlessly aggressive haters of AI.

      The greater the aggression, the greater the likelihood that I'll use AI to respond.

      https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/116582237166883625 three weeks ago was an example. The ALT text includes my 102-word prompt to ChatGPT.

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        All I was saying is that it is a tool that is not readily understood, that marketing types are the actual driving force behind the proliferation and early adoption is fraught with all of the usual gotcha's. Punting it onto the unwashed masses before being thoroughly debugged is always a recipe for angst and social outrage.

        carlos echenique
        ce.photography

        don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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          Thanks.

          For what it's worth, I follow the automated Newsmast AI Channel @ai@newsmast.community. It's naturally noisy – far noisier than I would normally tolerate for any subject – but worth it for me, because there's an occasional gem in something that's linked from within a post (the overt prejudice in many posts is easily ignored).

          Without following: here's a Fediwall view that's preset to refresh every five minutes.

          Unfortunately, I can't get anything from BSD Cafe Billboard to reach the channel.

          … marketing types are the actual driving force behind the proliferation …

          I think, the driving forces are more complicated than that.

          (I worked in marketing in the late 1980s. Nothing to brag about, and nothing like what people see nowadays.)

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          • grahamperrinG grahamperrin

            Thanks.

            For what it's worth, I follow the automated Newsmast AI Channel @ai@newsmast.community. It's naturally noisy – far noisier than I would normally tolerate for any subject – but worth it for me, because there's an occasional gem in something that's linked from within a post (the overt prejudice in many posts is easily ignored).

            Without following: here's a Fediwall view that's preset to refresh every five minutes.

            Unfortunately, I can't get anything from BSD Cafe Billboard to reach the channel.

            … marketing types are the actual driving force behind the proliferation …

            I think, the driving forces are more complicated than that.

            (I worked in marketing in the late 1980s. Nothing to brag about, and nothing like what people see nowadays.)

            etrigan63E Offline
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            @grahamperrin That was poorly written. Better said that a whole lot of money is being dumped into marketing these product before they are fully baked.

            carlos echenique
            ce.photography

            don't anthropomorphize operating systems. they don't like it.

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