<![CDATA[For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me.]]>For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me.

You are a fan of one or more BSD os. Is that BSD (doesn't matter which one) your daily driver, your primary OS on your main computer?

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/topic/6cd832b2-e001-40f4-a68c-b75191566933/for-bsd-fans-i-wish-to-understand-something-that-truly-bothers-me.RSS for NodeFri, 17 Apr 2026 05:46:46 GMTTue, 14 Apr 2026 20:29:08 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:52:54 GMT]]>@darth OpenBSD daily driver

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/pesco/statuses/116414950590689319https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/pesco/statuses/116414950590689319Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:52:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 11:10:38 GMT]]>@darth FreeBSD was my server distro, but has been my daily driver for the past week.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://social.brendans-bits.com/users/brendan/statuses/116414076582077715https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://social.brendans-bits.com/users/brendan/statuses/116414076582077715Thu, 16 Apr 2026 11:10:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 10:19:20 GMT]]>@darth Main browsing box is FreeBSD. Main workstation is trying to move to FreeBSD.

For gaming, I'm going to have to use Linux or Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough, FreeBSD is not up to snuff/far too much hassle.

The BSD I most prefer is OpenBSD, but that's generally more suitable for firewalls. Using it as a desktop involves too much pain, so FreeBSD is a compromise.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://peoplemaking.games/users/syllopsium/statuses/116413874850274482https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://peoplemaking.games/users/syllopsium/statuses/116413874850274482Thu, 16 Apr 2026 10:19:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:56:34 GMT]]>#openbsd on laptop and servers (no desktop)
]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://dalliard.ch/pub/nathanael/p/1776329794.883710https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://dalliard.ch/pub/nathanael/p/1776329794.883710Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:56:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:26:08 GMT]]>@darth OpenBSD is my primary OS. With shockingly little pain doing so.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/kurtm/statuses/116413429729619464https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/kurtm/statuses/116413429729619464Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:26:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 07:21:09 GMT]]>@darth FreeBSD is my primary OS

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/monwarez/statuses/116413174231197651https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/monwarez/statuses/116413174231197651Thu, 16 Apr 2026 07:21:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 06:37:37 GMT]]>@darth I daily drive FreeBSD-15.0-RELEASE-amd64 on my T430. I currently play Battlefield Vietnam on it 🙂

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116412990017137699/statuses/116413003071129201https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116412990017137699/statuses/116413003071129201Thu, 16 Apr 2026 06:37:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:33:48 GMT]]>@darth FreeBSD is my daily driver on the desktop for over 15 years.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://chaos.social/users/dwardoric/statuses/116412752130681453https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://chaos.social/users/dwardoric/statuses/116412752130681453Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:33:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:30:27 GMT]]>@darth In my constellation of systems, NetBSD is overwhelmingly predominate.

There is one Linux machine, purely because of audio driver support; currently Debian but I'm looking into ditching that in favor of bare metal Alpine.

There's also a Solaris machine that's critical. Actual real Solaris, properly licensed under the fan license Sun created, that Oracle promptly shut down.

Also OpenBSD on a firewall. Out of habit at the time it was deployed. NetBSD's npf has caught up; I'll be installing Net soon.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://chirp.zadzmo.org/users/aaron/statuses/01KPAC9VHY44KHTXZ507S5PV7Yhttps://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://chirp.zadzmo.org/users/aaron/statuses/01KPAC9VHY44KHTXZ507S5PV7YThu, 16 Apr 2026 05:30:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:29:26 GMT]]>@darth Running -current on my main laptop (ThinkPad T495)

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://pouet.chapril.org/users/fredg/statuses/116412734911632987https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://pouet.chapril.org/users/fredg/statuses/116412734911632987Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:29:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:04:59 GMT]]>@darth The fact that the desktop is somehow less far along than the is one of the observations in my post about is killing copyleft: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2026/04/08/ai-code-is-hollowing-out-open-source-and-maintainers-are-looking-the-other-way.html

Some of the BSD enthusiasts may enjoy the post, even if they prefer permissive licenses.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/users/yoasif/statuses/116412638794415423https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/users/yoasif/statuses/116412638794415423Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:04:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:04:57 GMT]]>@darth OpenBSD on my main notebook

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/xhr/statuses/116412638649883857https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/xhr/statuses/116412638649883857Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:04:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 04:45:14 GMT]]>@darth

Great question. My daily driver is my work-provided machine, which runs macOS.

My "personal" daily driver is a ThinkPad with FreeBSD, and a writing machine with NetBSD.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/rubenerd/statuses/116412561131392606https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/rubenerd/statuses/116412561131392606Thu, 16 Apr 2026 04:45:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 03:37:57 GMT]]>@darth Workstation is FreeBSD. I read most of the email I get via mutt on OpenBSD, on a rpi4b

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/f451/statuses/116412296536706821https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/f451/statuses/116412296536706821Thu, 16 Apr 2026 03:37:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 03:19:39 GMT]]>@darth From the way you have phrased this, I take it you are truly bothered that someone could hypothetically use BSD on 1,000 servers but are hypocrites for not using BSD on the system they manage them from?

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/dexter/statuses/116412224604619735https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://bsd.network/users/dexter/statuses/116412224604619735Thu, 16 Apr 2026 03:19:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:43:46 GMT]]>
@Ree@shitposter.world @darth@silversword.online]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://neondystopia.world/notes/al456afghzi30atwhttps://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://neondystopia.world/notes/al456afghzi30atwWed, 15 Apr 2026 21:43:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:42:54 GMT]]>@Saorsa @darth Linux will have age verification]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://shitposter.world/objects/26d36383-f89f-4128-abf4-adc49dfc4fd3https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://shitposter.world/objects/26d36383-f89f-4128-abf4-adc49dfc4fd3Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:42:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 21:42:20 GMT]]>
@darth@silversword.online]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://neondystopia.world/notes/al454gn5hzi30atuhttps://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://neondystopia.world/notes/al454gn5hzi30atuWed, 15 Apr 2026 21:42:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:10:39 GMT]]>@glassblowerscat @darth Ya I'd agree with that assessment.

I wouldn't say I love the mac these days. It feels very locked in and not very 'hacker friendly'. I _rarely_ modify / manage macos via some cli interfaces / etc files etc. Its possible I could do this, but the way the system is designed it doesn't feel like "the way". It just doesn't feel like its "for me" in any way these days, other than "I can create a terminal window and launch ssh to the system I actually do development on".

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/miah/statuses/116410537698080824https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/miah/statuses/116410537698080824Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:10:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:03:05 GMT]]>@miah I’ve used Macs since high school, often exclusively. I love the Mac. But it is also true that the design and usability has gone downhill.

This “UNIX certification is a lie” post has real No True Scotsman toxic Linux culture vibes to me, but it is also true that MacOS today is a far cry from the much more UNIX-y OS 10.1 days. I think the conclusion is probably correct: MacOS is still UNIX certified because someone somewhere in the company still cares, even if no one else does.

@darth

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://wandering.shop/users/glassblowerscat/statuses/116410507923117941https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://wandering.shop/users/glassblowerscat/statuses/116410507923117941Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:03:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:57:45 GMT]]>@darth
Weirdly, MacOS is the last operating system that does have UNIX certification!
@miah

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://wandering.shop/users/glassblowerscat/statuses/116410486988714206https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://wandering.shop/users/glassblowerscat/statuses/116410486988714206Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:57:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:56:17 GMT]]>@darth @glassblowerscat

Its very far removed from being a "BSD". Yes it shares some common history, components, and libraries. It doesn't feel as cohesive or friendly as any of the other BSD's.

I've had a macbook with OSX/etc since ~2001 and at first they definitely filled the niche that Linux didn't which was a nice UNIX'y laptop with working hibernate, wireless, and cd writing capabilities. Its gone downhill over the years with constant changes in look, feel, and underlying system. It doesn't feel like "its gotten more polished over time". Every release feels disjointed.

As far as certification goes..

https://www.osnews.com/story/141633/apples-macos-unix-certification-is-a-lie/

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/miah/statuses/116410481229847948https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/miah/statuses/116410481229847948Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:56:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:52:59 GMT]]>@darth Ayer instale freeBSD 15 en mi equipo de escritorio con XFCE, y estoy encantado por como ha mejorado el sistema, todo lo ha reconocido y funciona de maravilla, solo me falta montar una Unidad SSD en UFS para mis archivos e instalar las aplicaciones de uso diario, y por último probar suerte si puedo instalar mis juegos de GOG.

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DavidHS/statuses/116410468242440711https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DavidHS/statuses/116410468242440711Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:52:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me. on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:49:59 GMT]]>@glassblowerscat @miah to be fair I have very little Mac experience (never owned one) so I can't judge 🙃 but I am aware of its underlying components.

I think Mac OS even has official Unix certification, yes?

]]>https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://silversword.online/users/darth/statuses/116410456427594196https://billboard.bsd.cafe/post/https://silversword.online/users/darth/statuses/116410456427594196Wed, 15 Apr 2026 19:49:59 GMT